meet God
79Meet . . . GOD
The Problem
I hear so many people say "There is no god". They cite "No evidence" for his existance, therefore conclude He does not exist. This leads to all sorts of ideas like He's the product of man's imagination, lack of scientific knowledge being the cause of him being invented, and that religion was made up to control the masses.
The thing that puzzles me most, is how adament some people are when they assert their "belief" of God's NON-existance. I have (and still do) called it "arrogance and ignorence"! Perhaps better said the other way round, ignorence and arrogance. Ignorence, because it's so easey to conclude that God "could" (and does) exist outside that person's total spectrum of knowledge. After all none of us know (or ever could know) everything.
Arrogance, because, if you cannot know definitvely, that God indeed does NOT exist, you cannot emphatically, and absolutely declare it. These same people will argue that there are no absolutes. In which case they violate their own standard.
The Dillema
The unbeliever wants (and needs) evidence, so they can have an "object" for their faith. However, due to the nature of the "spiritual", no evidence is available. At least NOT scientific, (nor can there be). Evidence IS available, but it requiers a new perspective. A pradigm shift,
if you will.
An example;
My father and mother tell me that my great grandfather was a brilliant horseman. He looked after a rich land barons horses, and was renowned for his skills. How can I possibly prove this? I can't.
Is it true? - - Yes, if my parents are telling the truth.
- - - - - - - -- - No, if they are lying. It's up to me to trust their word. If they have a history of lying about many things, I may be excused for doubting them. Although they might be telling the truth.
Conversly, if I know them well, and they are not liars, I will believe their every word. There is no scientific "proof" that he was (or was not).
God is not scientifically "prove-able", BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS AN ABSENCE OF PROOF. It's just a different type of proof, (or evidence). To start, you will need to listen to others "testimony" of their experience(s) with Him. This will lead you (hopefully) to meeting Him for yourself.
Who are you listening to? Liars, or honest, deceptive or to genuine people. Then there are the deceived. I don't mean that in a nasty way. However, we have all believed falsehoods at one time or another. It's not a criticism, but a reality. Then, the truth is learned, and our deception is unveiled.
The Solution
There is an easy solution to this dillema. Meet God personally. Don't listen to the scientist. Don't listen to the priest. Meet the "Man" yourself, personally.
If there is NO God, you won't meet anyone. There will be no-one to meet. But, IF He exists, you will have somone to meet. That's simple enough, NO?
He wants to meet with you. He is not a distant God. He's not far away. He is as close as your very breath. He has done all He can to make it possible for you to meet Him, but He won't "gate crash" your world. Without an invitation, He will not come to you. (IE, reveal Himself).
There are countless millions of people who have done that. (Met him personally, I mean). I have met people who were at the end of their tether, cried out to God, and He met them at their point of need. I am a living example of the same thing.
Here's a simple guide (for those who have no clue) to ask Him. "God, I want to meet you. Will you meet with me?" Or even simpler than that, "God, HELP!" All you need is to be serious/genuine. No fooling around!
Here's on promise that He makes.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will in no way cast out.
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You are right. There is no physical proof you can hand over to someone to make them believe GOD exists. But how many things are we taught in school that happened thousands of years ago with the only proof of its truth being written in a book?
Hi Jan.
Thanks for that. The target of my hub was the person who doubts God's existence.
I appreciate that your experience sim ply re-enforces my main premise, that each person just "meets Him". then they will no longer doubt!
I actually met God in person. Not an Angel, not a "feeling of spirituality". And I am a respectable, gainfully employed working Mom. Very rarely tell my story but yes I have met God. And when I share my story no one ridicules me as it is very believable.
god is there and it is based on our believe if we believes
in god he is there but if not he is not there according to Hindu mythology only hanumanji exist in this period of time i beleve in god because he is there for all of us.
@pylos26. Thank you for your polite comments. I agree with you on all points in paragraph 1. However, I see the same logic, reason and common sense working in reality as applied to both the OT & NTs.
I'm not sure about the double standard proposition you make. I have to admit that as a believer I have to "live by faith", which I admit I fail in often. Having said that, I can live by my human faculties, AND by faith. I do not see my life as one of hypocrisy, not knowingly and willfully so.
I have to vehemently disagree with you about your statement on the story of Jesus Christ being a lie. You have no way to prove your statement, as I'm sure you believe I cannot prove mine. This is where our faith (or lack of) causes us to diverge.
I believe He DID (and still does) exist, making me a believer, and you sir, a non-believer. One thing that makes us even more different is that I have been where you are, but you have not been where I am, so to speak. You see, I came to be a believer, from having been a non-believer, and then at, I a very specific time and place, I "met God".
Hence the title of my Hub.
Thank you so much for reading it, and even more so for taking the time to comment. Blessings.
Aka-dj, We humans believe and support education as a means of establishing the use of “common sense,” “logic” and “reasoning” (these things that insure sound and prudent judgment) to lead us through life in an orderly, kind and productive fashion.
You sir, must use prudent judgment in life in order to survive.
But when one attempts to apply that same identical logic of sound judgment to the old or new testaments, they (the bible) fall to the ground failing to stand to scrutiny.
You sir, have no other choice but to submit to and follow a double standard of life. That is when one preaches one thing and practices a different thing.
One cannot believe that any truth exist in the bible if one believes in using common sense and sound judgment in life.
Why not just believe in
God and shed all the man made fraud and lies in your man made story of jesus christ
Wow...I really enjoyed that...I tell people all the time our life is based on so much information, that we belief without any hesitation. So why is believing God so difficult. Really good stuff....
I guess you have no intention of meeting HIM!
That's fine with me. It was/is a general invite to do so. I think you are the one more offended than me, on the existence of God.
Science cannot answer the meaning o life, the paranormal, NOR the SPIRITUAL. You are wasting your keystrokes on "educating" me on the (almighty) world of science. Science only deals in facts, data, and repeatable/falsifiable theory. The very NATURE of God eliminates Him from such scrutiny, therefore your assumptions are, in the least, irrelevant. Believers are NEVER told/commanded to prove ANYTHING. We are told to simply "speak those things which we know and believe. There is no compulsion on the hearer to accept. So feel free to continue to reject. (as you no doubt are doing) It's OK by me.
But I do respect your choice, and comment, hence I approved its publishing.
Assumptive hub.
1) who is 'they'? are 'they' anybody who disagrees with you? if so, are you assuming only 2 perspectives to this subject?
2) a story doesn't = a fact (sorry, horses).
3) Religion is a philosophy, a type of perspective towards life. Science is a means of observing, recording, and manipulating reality.
Why are religious junkies so threatened by something that disagrees with their beliefs? The basis of science is to identify the world. Holy books are not literally interpreted. So what's the issue? Reality cannot erase the beauty of a well-crafted metaphor. So why the intense personal offense?
Greast HUB!!!! I was really blessed by it, thank you for writing it
Ye, lets. Actually, I thought we did ages ago, but you came back. C u L8a. :D
aka:
Another trite reply...lets end it here.
Qwark
In guess you really don't have a clue. Strange. You put me down as trite and primitive, implying you are profound and advanced beyond measure, yet cannot see the "simple". I'm glad you are having some fun with me. :)Maybe that is the real reason for your regular visits.
It is well written that the "wisdom of God is foolishness to man."
aka-dj: I have no idea what you are referring to, nor do you.
You are blithely incredible.
TY for commenting, tho your thoughts are primitive and trite.
Qwark
Thank you qwark. I can't define God, because that was, and is, not my aim in this hub. If it were I would have called it
"my definition of God", or similar.
The God I refer to is the God of the Bible. A"book" you claim to have studied, and yet failed to see the subject, and the Author of. A precondition to meeting Him, is that you "believe that He is (ie, exists),and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him" Hebrews 11:6. By rewarder, He is saying meeting you at your point of need, for one. You don't qualify on that basis, because you are at the seeker level.
Perhaps you need to settle that first. I gave a sample prayer that you can pray, but without sincerely, it too is meaningless.
I do sincerely hope you find the definition you seek. :)
aka-dj:
This is my last response.
You can't define this "god" thing. You cant even provide opinion.
You "hub" is meaningless.
Thanks for responding.
Qwark
Please re-read my reply. I answered you in the second sentence. But, let me say again, I am not here to convince you about God. If you have studied the Bible for 2.5 years and haven't found answers to these questions, I can't help you. I have to ask, do you really want to know, or are you just being contentious?
Please don't be concerned about my grasp of the english language, nor my ability to think. I am satisfied with my abilities in both.
Lastly, why bother coming back to me for answers anyway? You are already convinced I am neither convincing nor credible.
PS. I'm glad that you did not end up behind the pulpit. You would have missed your calling.
Hello aka-dj:
Why would you think I have not done the research necessary to make this statement: "There is no definition in any monotheistic scripture that defines this "god" thing in terms other than, as mentioned, opinion and conjecture?"
I spent , at least, 1/2 of my life studying the history of "man's" religious bent and 2 1/2 years in christian seminary preparing for the "pulpit."
I have studied, in depth, the 'bible," the qur'an, the torah and the nt.
I didnt intimate in any manner that I wanted you to prove anything to me. I simply asked this of you: "Can you in, credible manner, define this "god" thing and convince me "it" exists?"
Is English your native language? if it isn't, I can cut-you-some-slack in your, seeming, inability to read English with understanding. If it is, for goodness sakes, re-visit your comments to insure that they, responsibly and accurately, relate to the subject you are responding to.
From your response, it becomes obvious that you are unable to offer anything but opinion and guess in answering my question and request.
You seem to be a simple "follower," not an academician and thinker.
I cannot consider you to be a credible "hubber" in referrence to the subject of your "hub:" "Meet...God."
Qwark
@ Douglas. Wow, thanks for your deep thoughts about my hub. How many errors did I make? I doubt that there's enough there to make it "disgusting", unless you are TOTALLY nitpicky. I'll have to go over all yours and see. Lol.
Please comeback and comment about something more important.
PS, Have YOU met God. He's One that NEVER makes mistakes!
Thanks qwark,for your comment. Let me answer the last first. The whole purpose of my hub was for people to meet Him. NOT for me to convince or prove anything. I know Him, because I met Him 30+ yrs ago. A relationship with Him is personal, and subjective, NOT cold, hypothetical and distant. For me, there is OVERWHELMING evidence that He does exist.
As for your references to "scripture(s)", I am specifically talking about the Bible. You'd want to read the WHOLE thing to "get" just Who and What He's like. Sounds to me you have a very sketchy knowledge there. But I di hope I challenge you to do some research.
As a hint, try turning to sources that believe and teach the Bible for your info. Kind of like if you want to know the law, go to a judge or lawyer, not a criminal or traitor. :D
What a disgusting mess of an article. Use a spellchecker.
Hello Aka:
Before I can consider "god,' I must know what "it" is.
If "it" can only be defined in terms of opinion and conjecture, what would the reason be for believing "it" exists or is worthy of consideration?
There is no definition in any monotheistic scripture that defines this "god" thing in terms other than, as mentioned, opinion and conjecture.
Can you in, credible manner, define this "god" thing and convince me "it" exists?
Qwark
another good hub
Dear Dgerrimea,
Thanks for commenting. Your last line is a bit off scew. I am encouraging people to "Meet God"! Foolish?, Dangerous? They are a matter of oppinion. I met Him, was I foolish? Many would say yes. Was it dangerous? That depends. Dangerous to whom? My life has improved in leaps and bounds. I love people that otherwise I would not etc, ad infinitum.
I do agree that meeting God is VERY subjective. But I am passionate about my life, and I hope others are about their own. Blessings.
You say there is no scientific proof (or evidence) for god, although its not until your very last line that you reveal which god you mean through a Bible quote. However, there is no other type of evidence which is demonstrably reliable, and therefore a sound basis for such an important belief.
If you are trying to put forward personal experience as an argument, it refutes itself due to its circular nature: it relies on itself to confirm itself.
I'm sorry but you come across as someone encouraging people to accept factual claims based on their emotional impact. I hope you're aim was not to encourage anyone to do anything so foolish and dangerous.
Peace
Hello again qwark. I see you took time again to post a little comment to such an undereducated, trite, primitive and underevolved human such as myself. I also see you worship at the altar of reason and logic. You may think that is more advanced or highly evolved than "primitive" faith, but they had a name for that thousands of years ago. It was "gnostic". I perceive that you are not REALLY seeking anything about the "god thing"(so called by you), so I will end my reply with this. Don't waste your time posting again, as I will probably delete it. Oh, yes I will read it, if you have anything worthy to add.
Aka-Dj: Trite. Not one iota of credability. Pls answer the most important aspect of my comment. what is this "god" thing? If you cant, you are but guessing and your comments, ref your illogical beliefs, are meaningless...Your inability to "reason," denotes a lack of education and logical thought. I must speak honestly. Your last comment would lead one to think of you as being a member of the lesser evolved of the human species. Thanks for responding from your "primitive" heart.
Qwark
Hello qwark.
I wrote this hub for people just like you. You don't need facts and figures to understand God. For example, you can do all the research "under heaven" about (say) me. Get every detail, right down to my very DNA structure, but you will NEVER know what kind of person I am. You wopuld never be my friend, until you met me.
That's my proposition in the hub. He IS real, and if you read the hub again, you will find my "formula" on that very thing.
You say you are a free thinker, that's good. But, if all your thinking keeps you away from your creator, what does it all matter anyway. You, and all your logic, and (learned) knowledge will perish with you. All one great big zero. What hope do YOU have? I know the very real hope that I have. BTW, I am not a "born " christian.(IE, from a christian home.) I considered myself similar to you, untill I met Jesus Christ. Now I am "born again".All my thoughts, research and logic brought me to Him.
I wish you blessings on your journey of life. :)
Hello Eaglekiwi: Pls read your "bible." this biblical god thing demanded the death of tens of thousands of his creations. He flew into very human rages and demanded the murder of men, women, children, the unborn their pets and their flocks. Seems to me that this "biblical god thing" acts out in a very human manner!...or is it that we humans are just following the example of this murderous "biblical entity?" Religious faith is based 100% on "hope." Hope is very human but certainly not that which an intelligent life form would guide it's life. Why is it that you cannot answer my question ref to factually defining this "god thing?"
Qwark
Faith is not primitive
acts of violence are,which is how mankind prefers to resolve most of his problems.
Hello Aka-Dj: I am not an atheist, deist, agnostic or a believer in mythical supernatural divinities. I am a very well educated pragmatist and logician. Before I can consider any facet of your Hub, you must define this "god" thing to me, factually. How can that which cannot be defined, cannot be known, exists only as an abstract concept be considered to exist? You offer nothing credible upon which one can make a case. I don't ask for "proofs," I ask for a "definition" that factually convinces me of "it" as an extant "thing." There is no scriptural definition of this god thing in any monotheistic writing. It is mentioned, it's powers are defined and it's accomplishemnts are enumerated...but what it is, is left up to the reader. All who believer in it can only guess and opine. You seem to be easily led...a follower not a "thinker." Believing in god's is the acme of primitive thought and a lack of evolution.
Qwark
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Thanks for your comment singh. Sorry I clipped your post, but I want to moderate th comments. Reincarnation is NOT a Biblical view, and not one that I agree with. There is no way that I wish to promote this viewpoint, but include your comment out of courtesy to you for writing it. The God that I encourage people to meet is Jehova, the Lord, the Father of Jesus Christ, and all born again Christians. :)
Sure thing. I will do it another time as I really need to go to bed (12:33 am). Looks interesting though. Night.
Cool http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-Did-America-Replace-Th I wrote a hub by answering someone elses question , I decided to write from the heart ,and got quite a varied response too ,if ya have time ,check it out
Thanks Eaglekiwi.I hope to challenge, but not offend. I also don't like to "beat around the bush" as they say. Action is what I hope people will take.
I like your straight forward style of writing , challenging but not aggressive . Good hub , thankyou.
Very well put aka-dj. You hit the nail on the head! If more people would simply ask God to reveal Himself. I think they would be amazed to learn that He is real. He has been knocking at the door of so many people, they just need to open it!
Thank you Born Again 05. I aimed this hub squarely at the unbeliever/critics, of which there are a few here on HP. All I (we) can do is "put it out there", the rest is between them and Him. :)
Great hub aka-dj! Well done! I was at the end of my rope when the Lord revealed Himself to me. We just need to keep patiently and lovingly try to reach the lost. Thanks for being such an encouragement.
Thanks Webb.r. I appreciate your comment and having read my hub. All the best to you, as you follow Him. Tha's what life is all about! :)
I love Jesus, and I trust God. I do not belong to a church nor do I quote scripture. I pay attention to the WordsWrittenInRed. These words are about loving ourselves and everybody else, including atheists.
Thanks Smireles. I like to discuss with people that don't believe, but as you say, our frames of reference are too far apart to have clear understanding. Without the personal encounter, He becomesnothing morethan an idea or a religious icon.
Jacobt2. Thanks for reading and commenting. Yes, I could have used many scriptures. But, because it is aimed primarily at the unbeliever, too many scriptures can be off-putting. All scripture is intended to bring us closer to Him, but a person may not even know they CAN come close. Hence the invitation to (just) meet Him.
I like this hub, and I thought this scripture was appropriate: Romans 1:18-20, "18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
This is an awesome hub, aka-dj. I do not really understand the point of reference from those who do NOT believe in God. Believers do not harm them. There has to be some deeper reason that they do not want to reveal. The disturbing thing to me is that 80% of Americans believe in God and do not feel disenfranchised by our present system regarding the church and state. And yet...most do nothing and say nothing when the church is attacked. But...I digress!
You hit the nail on the head, aka-dj, when you said that they need a personal experience. Meet the One that all the discussion is about and anyone will know that He is real, he exists, and loves them.
Sir Dent, I totally agree with you about the Biblical references supporting the existence in God. Unfortunately, ignorant people attack the Bible as much as they attack believers. Some of these attacks come from people who obviously do not have much of an understanding about what the Bible really says!
Keep hubbing, aka-dj! Great hub.
Thanks SirDent. I did qualify my statement by saying "Not scientific anyway", but I get what you mean.
Very well written hub. I do disagree slightly that there is no spiritual evidence of God's existance. When Jesus met the blind man He said nothing at first but spat on the ground and made mud, then touched his eyes before He spoke a word. The blind man had yet to see Jesus but knew he was there. Even after Jesus poke, the man still had no sight. He had to do what Jesus told him to do before his sight was given him. Even after this, he still did not see Jesus, though he knew God was real.
Paul wrote that if the gospel is hidden, it is hidden to them that are lost. They cannot see it nor can they discern it. As you said, they must meet God personally.
aka-dj Hub Author 11 months ago
Thanks smith624.
Well, I suppose everything we call history comes from a book.
Some would argue it is written in stone(s), IE fossils.
Thanks for commenting.